Bada bing, Bada boom!

Bada bing, Bada boom!

Yesterday we attended the first Samsung Bada Developer’s Day in London. Samsung,  Red and White, and Headstream put on this amazing one day event in central London for all technology companies and engineers eager to learn about the new Samsung Bada platform.  Samsung gave a free Samsung Wave to every company that attended. It was an enticing offer that attracted some of the biggest names in mobile. The Vice President/Ph.D. of Service Platform Group and chief architect of the Bada platform Justin Hong was in attendance. nothingGrinder were lucky enough to get an interview with Justin. We got up close and Bada Bing, found out about Flash Player integration.

Samsung Bada Developer's Day London

Samsung Bada Developer's Day London

Q: Can Bada run Flash Player in the browser, and if so, what version is it running?

A: Bada supports Flash Player plugin in the browser and native application UI can be programmed / animated with a Flash Lite API.

I did some digging and found that the Samsung Wave comes with Flash Player 9.1.1 pre-installed.

Amendment 6/20/2010 – Thanks to Alessandro from Biskero for the comments and technical information. See comments for more details.

Also see: Flash Lite 3.1 FAQ

The Samsung Wave has Flash Lite 3 installed, as far as I know it is not a full Flash Player version. I am still waiting for verification from Adobe & Samsung.

Amendment 7/5/2010 – Email from Samsung confirming Flash Lite 3 in the browser.

Samsung Bada Application Developer Service Overview

Samsung Bada Application Developer Service Overview

Q: Will Bada support Flash Player 10.1 and hardware acceleration?

A: Yes and yes.

I suspect the Flash Player in Bada will be updated to 10.1 later this year. It was implied at the conference that Bada will support 10.1 this year and I was told there will be two platform updates before the end of 2010.

Samsung Service Expansion Plan 1

Samsung Bada to reach 80+ countries

Q: In regards to the Open Screen Project, how closely is Samsung working with Adobe?

A: I am unsure of the status of Samsung’s relationship with the Open Screen Project.

This was surprising. I assumed that engineers at an executive level would be more aware of the relationship between Open Screen Project partners. Perhaps this question is better directed at Adobe or Nokia.

Samsung Bada to reach 150+ operators

Samsung Bada to reach 150+ operators

Q: What is Samsung’s view on the future of the web and their plans to support new web technologies?

A: Samsung plans to support as much of the web as the hardware will allow. Currently, some technologies are too advanced for the hardware but this will change in the future.

Justin said Samsung has an open view of the web and do not want to limit developers in any way. They will do their best to support as many new technologies as possible. They are also working towards full HTML5 support.

Samsung Expansion Plan 70:30 split

Samsung plans a 70:30 split for both Application revenue share and localized to global apps.

Q: Will Bada support Adobe AIR runtime?

A: At this time AIR is a bit heavy, but as the hardware gets better and AIR becomes more optimized, Samsung plans to support it on the Bada platform.

Samsung will not use any technologies the hardware cannot handle. I think they do this to protect the stability and speed of the platform. Personally, I still have yet to see an AIR application running on Android. I purchased a Google Nexus One last week and cannot find any downloadable AIR application for it. This is probably the reason we don’t see AIR on this release of Bada.

Samsung want to help developers get paid

Samsung want to help developers get paid

Q: How often can we expect operating system updates for the Bada platform?

A: We plan to update the SDK once a month and we expect 2 platform updates per year.

In conclusion, Bada has a promising future. The Samsung super Amoled display on the Samsung Wave is very impressive and provides the richest graphics I’ve seen to date on a mobile phone. They have done a great job of supporting developers with a diverse SDK and strong community. They have also spent time developing a strong business model around their platform. Bada is what one might expect from a mobile platform. As the hardware gets better I think we will see some amazing things in gaming and web accessibility from Samsung Bada.

On a more personal note, as much as I enjoy my new phone, I don’t think it will get much use. The Wave’s usability is a not quite there yet. The Google Mail app and maps both jump me to a web browser. Settings and menus for most applications and display screens are hard to find. There are 2 Bada releases scheduled for this year and I hope they will help resolve the usability issues.

Here is an Justin Hong explaining the technology behind Samsung Bada:

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  • Biskero

    Ciao,

    at the moment the bada platform has Flash Lite 3.1 (Flash version9.x.x) and it's in standalone mode only at the moment. It has some native integration via fscommand.

    Alessandro

  • nothinggrinder

    Alessandro,

    I own and use a Samsung Wave with Bada installed. I was given the phone at the Bada Developers Day just yesterday. The phone has Flash Player plugin 9.1.1 installed which allows me to view Flash movies on the web. Flash Lite 3.1 is the runtime Bada uses for creating animated UI in native applications. Thanks for the comment.

    All the best,
    Aaron Franco

  • Biskero

    Ciao Aaron,

    how did you get the version? My guess is that it's Flash Lite 3.1 in the browser which gives version 9.x.
    I was not sure if the browser supported Flash Lite but from what you are saying it does.
    By the way, you can do more then UI with Flash Lite 3.1, apps, games and so on with integration with native APIs.

    Alessandro

  • nothinggrinder

    Alessandro,

    I assure you it runs the full Flash Player in the browser. I can view websites like 2advanced.com. Thanks for the comment.

    Aaron

  • DannyT

    The latest flashlite is not anywhere near as inhibited as people think and will run most flash content. What does playerversion.com report it as? Flash player numbers are very squiffy on mobile.

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  • Biskero

    Ciao Aaron,

    that you can view flash content on a site it's not a indication that you have full Flash. As I told you Flash Lite 3.1 correspond to Flash 9 version, hence version 9.x.x. You will probably see You Tube too !

    Also, there is no way they will have Flash Lite 3.1 as standalone and Flash 9 for the browser.
    I have been looking at the bada SDK and it has Flash Lite 3.1, not full Flash. So what you are seeing it's Flash Lite 3.1 rendering of Flash web content.

    Alessandro

  • nothinggrinder

    Alessandro,

    Thanks for the information and your persistence. I do believe you are correct. I have made an amendment to the post.

    I'd like to email you, could you provide your contact details via our contact form?

    Thanks,
    Aaron

  • Danny

    Let me clarify. bada supports Flash Lite 3.1 only, Not Flash. However, Flash Lite 3.1 is basically Flash 9 + ActionScript 2.0 so it does play back lots of Flash content, hence the confusion. So, to summarize, the browser supports FL 3.1 plugin (sites like youtube and FLV work, albeit a bit slowly. Newer video seem to be using Flash 10, so some don't), bada Flash control supports FL3.1. bada Web control, however, does not support FL 3.1 plugin, at this time.

    Hope this helps.

    Danny from London devday

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