Comments on: Flash is the Holy Grail.

By: Joel Fiser

Joel Fiser — Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:37:26 +0000

Well said! I'm so freaking sick of hearing how Flash doesn't compete with HTML. People who say that (Adobe employees included) obviously don't work in the industry. Managers and Lead Devs make choices every day whether to use Flash or HTML / Javascript / CSS. Increasingly, the choice is to squash Flash wherever possible.

These are dark days for Flashers. It could very well be the darkness before a great light – but we need to get off this BS that “we should all just try to get along” and that there's no competition between technologies. That is a lie – I see / experience the choices being made every day where I work (A major TV network).

Flash is superior in many ways to Javascript – and we need to start having some balls and speaking up about why that is – especially Adobe. Currently, Adobe is losing this battle to Apple – hell – it's not even close.

By: Aaron

Aaron — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:36:50 +0000

the flash dev you mention is actually Daniel Eran Dilger from roughlydrafted – he's not a flash developer at all and is a known apple shill and a total nutcase

http://www.fakesteve.net/2009/11/rabid-fanboy-g...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-9886333-37.html

he's been barred from various websites for this reason – including digg!

good article btw – many good points. apple know that google et al are going to kick their butt and are starting to look shaky, esp on the flash issue. e.g. the google tv thing must have them worried fersure!

By: Nick Weschkalnies

Nick Weschkalnies — Mon, 19 Jul 2010 04:55:20 +0000

I really (Ironie) like that part:
'We have been fighting the Flash battle for many years. In the past 6 months we have started to feel that we are alone in the industry. The Flash community has cut itself off from the rest of the world. We want this to change. We want to feel that Adobe has our back because we have theirs and not because we’ve made millions. '

Ok, as a growing up flash user, author of three flash books and flash based developer for 11 years now, so … who are you? Never heard of you before …

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By: Ashrathore

Ashrathore — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:05:19 +0000

I fully agree. Much of apple success is because of the sleek, high quality and durable hardware. Software is the next thing which user gets to know after using it a bit. Success of software is very much dependent on the developer. How much he uses the platform creatively is all what makes the difference.
Personally I would not like any proprietary platform to win. Instead would like JavaFX and HTML5 to sore high.

By: Dan

Dan — Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:41:39 +0000

"We love Flash and will fight for Flash until the bitter end. We believe so strongly in Flash as the future of web technology our aim is to make everything on the web in Flash. Flash should be the interface of the internet. We wouldn’t want it any other way. We develop in Flash because of the amazing UX it allows."

I worked in Flash for 10 years at some of the worlds leading agencies. So I can say I'm very experieced with it. Do I like it? No. Flash breaks the web. It's as simple as that. It's true that some talented developers have done some good things with SWFAddress etc and slowly some good practices are coming into affect. But the overall impression of Flash is awful.

I use the web to find information. Something Flash is terrible with. The number of custom crappy scrollbars that you have to use. Do you rollover, or click? Can you click on the trackbar? Does the mousewheel work? Can I select the text!? This is not something I appreciate when I'm browsing the web. The most basic principle of the web, pages, it severly broken in Flash. Yes, some sites finally allow deeplinking but most don't. Having to endure endless intros and transitions to get between sections is so tedious.

Try this experiment. Replace this blog with a Flash version, then report back with your visitor numbers in a month. I think we all know what will happen.

By: creatino

creatino — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:59:47 +0000

Great article, but I wish I was as certain as you about some of your statements Rather than already saying “Apple got it wrong” I think it would be more appropriate to say “Apple threw down the glove” – it's still up to us developers to create amazing experiences, and it's up to the touchphone competition to create amazing hardware/OS combinations. Neither of those is a given, especially the second Let's face it, Apple are still the masters of building a good allround experience, and it's going to take a LOT of open-standards cross-competition LOVE to challenge the focus of the innovative, focussed and tight crew in Cupertino.

I hate to sound like a hippy but one of the greatest things about being part of the flash community at the moment is the amount of help everyone is giving each other. Everyone is sharing code and time, more interested in seeing the other create something amazing than keeping their work to themselves like the sad loser at school that wouldn't let anyone copy. This is the spirit that can make the difference.

By: Flash and HTML5 developer

Flash and HTML5 developer — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:37:59 +0000

“Have fun watching all those blue icons on the big video sites while you're on your iPad, foobar”

foobar wont need to worry about the blue icons on the Apple iDevice browsers. until enough Flash dev's implement this fix…

http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2010/04/r...

By: Steve

Steve — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:47:01 +0000

It should all work together. With that said, I support the fact that flash is so much more than HTML5, it's a building block on top of it. Sure, leave some things to HTML5 and javascript and leave the rest to flash. Even most flash developers, overlook the time-line in Flash - it's a whole other world when compared to HTML5. Flash continues as an amazing creative tool!

I am in on a partnership to aid in the cause.
http://www.micelistudios.com

By: bobdude11

bobdude11 — Wed, 14 Apr 2010 01:14:14 +0000

I am in the process of reworking a couple of websites I own (one for my wife's comapny and one for our Homeowners Association).

I have not yet delved deeply into either due to various reasons (laziness has been mentioned by my wife - but I digress).

The two primary issues I have are:

1. Price - very expensive for a single entity (me) to afford the full on packages, although I managed (albeit, I was not able to get the package with Photoshop - cue the violins)

2. Learning curve - I am currently just trying to fully comprehend the technologies and where they all fit together - yes, I am working from a 'For Dummiies' book, why do you ask?

The point is this: I am going to teach myself Flash and all that goes with it and I will make these sites based entirely on Flash and Adobe technologies -

I believe Flash is well worth all of the time and effort I will be putting into it and I will be basing my fledgling companies entire existance on this ideal.

Keep an eye out - I intend to join you and everyone else in evangelising Adobe and Flash!

By: busana muslim

busana muslim — Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:28:14 +0000

Apple got the hardware right, but they locked it up too tight with the iTunes store.

By: Mike Troiano

Mike Troiano — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:17:52 +0000

Illuminating. Thank you.